They just end up in these places. And in fact in 2011 when it was announced that the eastern cougar was officially extinct the reason that announcement was made is because they said really that it never existed. For me as a person who's handled many bobcats and looked at many pictures Bobcat the White chin Bobcat right off is what comes out to me and then the black the the roughs on our Bobcats we'll have sometimes have black fringes on them. Thank you very much for listening. Hunting is legal, but closely regulated by the state. This is the exchange. I would say that there's going to be the truth in here somewhere. It's not an emerging endangered species no work no there are there are populations in specific states so the Florida panther is is an endangered species that sub population is in fact listed under the Endangered Species Act. So one thing I'll add. And then just up behind it you know at about 11 o'clock on one side and whatever that would be on the other side it's black. Have a photo. We're gonna talk about sightings in this part of the program as well we'd love to hear your story. Enable JavaScript by changing your browser options, and then try again. So. Peter Biello: Rick I believe you did mention that that they do leave carcasses up in the tree from time to time but are there any other species known in New Hampshire to do this on a regular basis. Thanks for taking my call. Long before NASA was asked to put a man on the moon one engineer had already figured out how to get there. Really appreciate you guys being here as well. Through DNA they approximate area in the United States or North America where I was born. He said matter of fact I do. Part II. Patrick Tate: So it's very typical. And so a mountain lion is actually quite large right. It traveled all the way from from you know Minnesota to New York without being so seen Patrick take. Caller: Absolutely. I mean so what what is the practical change that it would bring to New Hampshire if any. You know I think it's there's a lady Holly Ernst out in California who has done a lot of the genotyping of mountain lions in Northern California the ones that are of course most people have heard about taking down hikers bikers etc. New Hampshire Fish and Game Department says there's no proof. By Eric Orff. Sam Evans-Brown: So Tim so this cat's been been referenced a couple of times I think we should talk about it specifically lay the whole story out for folks who haven't heard the story because it's actually I think really indicative of a lot of stuff for talking about. On Oct. 10, he gave a slide talk called "Wild Cats of New Hampshire," which included the bobcat and the lynx. How to Report a Possible Mountain Lion Sighting. But if you do if you think you're looking at a wild Puma their tail is very thick and especially in the winter is very thick and ponderous looking. Today on the exchange we discuss what residents may have been seeing and what breeding mountain lion pairs would mean for our ecosystem. Over a period of a year and a half, this Mountain Lion left DNA evidence in at least four states. It is also known as cougar, panther, mountain lion, and puma, though catamount is the preferred regional vernacular. And today we're talking about the mysterious elusive mountain line with folks who know something about it. Are these big cats back?Subscribe to WMUR on YouTube now for more: http://bit.ly/1lOjX9CGet more Manchester news: http://wmur.comLike us: http://facebook.com. We discuss what residents may have been seeing and what breeding mountain lion pairs would mean for our ecosystem. As recently as 2011 there was one young male mountain lion that cruised all the way from the black hills of South Dakota, up over the Great Lakes, down through New Yorkgetting spotted all along the waykilled a beaver near the Quabbin Reservoir in Central Massachusetts, left behind prints and DNA at that site, and then was hit by a car in Connecticut. That's why we always go back to the physical evidence to support what they're reporting. Rick van de Poll: 80 90. Contact the Wildlife Division at (603) 271-2461 or wildlife@wildlife.nh.gov to request an observation report form. Patrick Tate: It became a very interesting investigation over time because it started becoming. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. Yes. But having read a bit of information about his cougar there are a darker subspecies. From "History of New Hampshire Game and Furbearers" by Helenette Silver, Research Clerk, NH Fish and Game Dept. Thank you very much for that story really appreciate it. My wife and I saw a mountain lion. Lions Clubs Int'l Links: LionNet NH Links 2011 -2012 . Residents believe cougars still roam New Hampshire's forests. Caller: Oh hi. Residents from Bedford to Berlin have been reporting sightings for years. Id like to hazard the explanation that we really, really want to see a mountain lion. Many people in New Hampshire have claimed to have seen mountain lions. John. Monday, December 5th: Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? And to anyone listening I would just say you know fishing game who wants proof right. I really really enjoyed listening to this program so thank you all very much. OK. Rick van de Poll: Rick and I would add that if a mountain lion male takes up residence and successfully finds a female as pets there's gonna be a lot more evidence there will be like deer carcasses up in trees and territorial marking and claw marks and tracks and it you know dispersal is gonna be very tough to see or observed but residential parrots a totally different story. And I I have this great text history of New Hampshire game and fir bears and I think by Helen Silver who used to work for fish and game and she sort of I kind eyes this animal in one of the quotes from 1892 stating that the catamaran was the most ferocious of all the wild beasts of New Hampshire his great size strength and agility of movement together with his formidable weapons rendered him the terror both of man and beast. They create these big latrines that are very obvious. Caller: It had just left that field and was out. And so so with their limited staff and limited budget that is that is more and more limited every year because you know fewer people are buying hunting and fishing licenses. So what those ranges. Patrick Tate: Nice talk to you too. And as the biologist who's gonna stand on this and if I'm going to say this is a proven picture I need to be able to stand on it so soundly and have the evidence so I going to go through it with a fine tooth comb kept picking pieces apart trying to answer these pieces. Chartered: 1973 . And a lot of people around the county airport have seen a lot of pilots coming in said they saw huge. So I think the point that I just want to get across is that there is a very strong sense this here in the and not region that there is that there is some sort of mountain lion population how large it is how extensive it is. How far were you from this cat. Caller: And the more I thought about it the color of it it was definitely not a bobcat. Early in the morning. m from a weed family Automotive on store Street in Concord is serving the Concord area families automotive needs since 1995. They used to roam the entire continent, but have become extinct in most US states. I actually been interviewed a couple of times by reporters and with all due respect for the media you know facts aren't always communicated correctly. Wed love to be part of the first verified sighting. So what counts as verifiable evidence? Mountain lions (especially males) have incredibly large ranges that they defend from rivals. Give us a call if you have a question or comments or story about perhaps seeing a mountain lion here in New Hampshire. And we want to know your stories if you have them 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 or email exchange at an HP bar dot org we'll talk about conspiracy theories when we come back. Caller: So I've been telling this story for five years or so and very few people believe me. You need a permit to have that. It's good to talk to you. He writes As a farmer I come across many outdoorsman looking to hunt our property had a conversation with one who believed very strongly that we had mountain lions in New Hampshire. The best documentation we have in New Hampshire suggests there hasnt been a mountain lion killed by a hunter in this state since 1885. Our guests today Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife biologist Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in. Patrick Tate: Okay. I just don't understand the mechanism for how that would happen. Patrick Tate: Yes. I've collected scat samples I've got several in my collection. Just. Deer Bear Moose Grey Wolf Coyote Foxes Fisher Mountain Lion NH Wildlife History. Just one quick point I think I think when we we talk about these conspiracy theories the real story is that fish and game is an agency that that is short on budget and staff. I've seen him in the woods and that was not a bobcat but I was looking at. New Hampshire Public Radio | As recently as 2011 there was one young male mountain lion that cruised all the way from the black hills of South Dakota, up over the Great Lakes, down through New Yorkgetting spotted all. Patrick Tate: And there's one other way to model that is the same animal. And really whenever you hear tiny code and long rope like tale it's kind of hard to pin this sighting on any other creature rather than an outline or just nothing else really matches that description. Rick your thoughts. So yeah as far as wildlife species that put deer and trees know there aren't any others that I know of that put deer in trees just just humans might be responsible for that. So hard to know hard to refute if there's no interest in making up a story which many people of course do then I would respond the same way as Pat did. Women control our lives. I'll send it to you. I was a Bobcat we saw it and I have a picture of it. I can't. Sam Evans-Brown has been working for New Hampshire Public Radio since 2010, when he began as a freelancer. People go through great lengths to create hoaxes like this. So I want to start the program with a comment from someone who is not in the studio with us today. Numerous scat and fur specimens have been turned in as part of mountain lion report investigations; DNA identification has shown these submitted samples to be from domestic dog, coyote, bobcat andraccoon. There have been several sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. And what was really remarkable about the whole thing was I was maybe a half mile down on all buildings. Listeners we'd love to hear some of your thoughts on this. Rick van de Poll: Rick your thoughts. 235 or nhandy@ledgertranscript.com. Somewhere the way they travel the things they do they're going to leave evidence. The great thing about pictures isn't the animal itself it's the background. John is calling from Bennington. Patrick Tate: It's wow interesting that you brought this up because I've had people report I saw cardamom. So so. And just one more note about this danger question when even when you look at the states that have extended populations stable populations of mountain lions attacks are relatively rare. Peter Biello: But clearly you know you're saying like hoaxes people who claim to have seen a mountain lion but knowingly have not or are appropriating photos taken elsewhere of legit mountain lion say out West where they people acknowledge that they exist certainly knowingly or unknowingly in this case the person who sent it to me said hey a friend of mine sent me this photo and said he took it on his back porch also. If you believe you have seen a mountain lion and want to report it to NH Fish and Game, please contact the Wildlife Division at (603) 271-2461 or wildlife@wildlife.nh.gov to request an observation report form. 50 feet above the most. So what I'm getting back is the verifying and confirming of evidence what that was not there. And listeners this has been a lively conversation we're sorry we didn't get to all the the e-mailed comments and the phone calls your stories are appreciated even if we didn't get a chance to hear them today. So let's let's go to the phones. Mountain lion or cat running across. Today she talked with us a little bit before the show about why the mountain line is so compelling and why we want it to be part of our world. So I did a bunch of research and all the documentation I found was there art are not any pieces of DNA of Eastern online. The exchange is a production of New Hampshire Public Radio. They lived perhaps elsewhere in New England and they were just passing through and happened to have an encounter of some sort. When you talk about a bobcat Bobcat maybe 80 90 pounds and then a mountain lion could be between 130 and 180 pounds. Its impossible to say, but I think the odds are pretty good that some of these sightings are legit. Tate said that while a mountain lion sighting in New Hampshire isn't likely, it's not impossible. Peter Biello: What about the idea of tourism like us leaving aside the fact that it is not on the Endangered Species Act is it. They're very loyal to what the handler which makes them very dangerous to everyone else. Ive received pictures of dogs at odd angles, says Tate. So so it is possible in Maine to still to to to have one but you have to be sort of professional handler as it were. There's just one subspecies of North American mountain lion. Mountain lions don't usually travel more than 100 miles from where they are born. You know you have to have a license and it's hard to get that license a license to own a mountain lion. So for those reasons I don't believe the standards are too high the amount of game cameras out on the landscape to record images department alone through contracts had over 150 throughout the state biologists go through various deer yards throughout the year. The second one was not only fresh but when I actually put my hand on it it was you know smelled like cat and I it's there's no denying a fresh mountain lions get if you can tell it every story that KOAT. Peter Biello: We mentioned that the eastern cougar and the Western cougar are they were separate eastern cougar believed to be extinct. Sam Evans Brown. The nonbelievers are going to say Show us your evidence and show us prove this to us.

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