Venus/Uranus is difficult in the composite, but it doesnt explain your obsession. Neptune, as the higher octave of Venus, is all about connections, and the 12th house allows us to dissolve the boundaries of ordinary life in order to reach out beyond our mundane reality. We challenge each other to be the best versions of ourselves. They have an inner urge to help others but don't know how to help themselves or ask for support. What to make of this? (Not at all helped by the fact that his Venus is square to my Sun at exact degrees.) My takeaway is that the two people involved would think the relationship was hidden (and something for just them) but its not really because of the nature of the Asc Conjunctions. I still remember very clearly how I felt 10 years ago when I first met my former boyfriend. Thank you, Tricia. Keteki says: May 7, 2012 at 4:21 pm . Was our purpose to heal each other? I dont know whether this situation is karma? along with Juno. There are 12 houses of Nessus divided according to the sun signs, such as the rst house belongs to Aries, the second house to Taurus, and so on. Composite, Davison Chart . Also my moon is conjuct to his sun both ways. We have (taurus) mars-venus conjunction on the 12th house and it is so real in our life: we need so strong the deep intimacy and the so close physical and spiritual nearness together, and it is better for us to be alone together for our happiness. I have gone through a long, long cycle of heartaches and have been able to slowly, heart-wrenchingly get over each and every one, except this guy. An ex-lover and I share composite Sun/Mercury in the 12th. I have 12th house with my partner, but also many Saturn and Pluto Aspects. . Its a bit like getting knocked off your feet by a powerful waveyou and your partner are going to have to swim in the tide for a while, and deal with whatever watery beasties swim your way. (We also have some 4th and 8th house synastry with me as the planet person, and 3 planets in the composite 4th). I cannot think, sleep since i met him. In Our composite chart Sun, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter and Chiron in the 12 house. I am in a very confused place myself right now, wanting to forgive, still loving her, but not understanding her and whether healing her childhood wounds will bring her attraction back, or if its got something more to do with me and something I need to let go of. 12th House Meaning. Hey Dawn! WhiteLotus. We see each other regularly in our spiritual activities, and yet live on opposite coasts, and though dedicated to each other 100% as spiritual allies (and possibly more), we have no intentions of giving up our day-to-day independence. Since Lilith is being hidden in the 12th . We romanticize all of this (and well, a little romance never hurt anyone) but the truth is that this familiarity is there to hurry up the bonding process so that the lessons and the challenges can be quickly assimilated. I use both in my practice. However it can create a feeling of fate sometimes, since it's also the house of soulmates and psychic connections. Talking about Fate! In synastry, his Pluto is in my 12th conjunct my ascendent tightly, and I have nothing in his 12th. Written in 12thouse Neptunian mystique and eloquence 8th and 12th house seem to have haunted me for most of my life , Your email address will not be published. Found the site while trying to decipher a stellium in a composite 12th house. I am a strong 12th house person- the sun in Libra conjunct Pluto/Mercury in Scorpio, with Saturn in Scorpio widely conjunct my Scorpio ascendent (I told you I was intense) and he has no planets in the 12th. Regine. You may struggle with understanding your emotions and cannot express them in a healthy way. After our individual identity is explored through all the houses, in the 12th and final house, the personality dissolves into something larger. It might hold your answers, if you know how to read it properly. Bonus points if the Sun and Moon are conjunct. 3) Angles in the houses & aspects. VERY-VERY SORRY! The fellow and I have composite sun/Mercury conjunct in the 12th, making an out of sign conjunction to the ascendant. Similarly, the 4th house is used for Gemini, and information is extracted by reading it in the Natal charts. This is where our own shadow meets the shadow of the collective. Neptune causes us to turn our other into gods. Hi Daw I noticed you dont offer composite readings. . As Jeff Buckley puts it, hes a tear that hangs inside my soul forever. I really love this article its very beautifully written and bittersweet, but anyone with a natal 12th house venus and venus in pisces has walked these roads. Neptune tries to tell us that we cant own anything permanently, and if we try to possess and not understand the message of universal love (love is its own reward) it will pry our grasping fingers off of whatever we are trying to hold on to. Im not wanting to drag him to the floor yet. Forget about where his planets fall in your houses and instead, put your natal chart around the chart of the composite, then do the same with his. such is the nature of the 12th, beautiful and terrible.! One valuable lesson I learned is to refrain being attached to an outcome with him. Am i trapping my self? Thank you for your insight. This is brilliant and compassionate. me and this guy who dont know each other properly have same ascendants and house cusps natally. We have an interesting stellium in the 6th Uranus, Eros, Ceres, and Vertex all within a degree of each other. Eventually, some of their views may clash and this can . I was wondering about my composite contacts with some I know who we share 12th house themes with. In composite, we have sun, mercury and part of fortune in the 12th. So much uncertainty and confusion!! What the twelfth house demands of us always is that we give the ego a rest, but often challenges regarding the ego are exactly what we have to face with twelfth house planets. Your post was seemed most fitting for a romantic liaison. Sorry I cant get into too much detail here, but if your composite Sun is conjunct Saturn, Pluto and the Ascendant then you can only take comfort in the fact that the relationship is meant to be transforming and spiritually challenging. how this would manifest? It was a complicated, intense, spicy hot love affair that changed both of our lives. I herd that the good connections between the 1st house rulers and 7 th rulers are so important an the good saturn aspects also. but the rising is scorpio. We are ignoring what the Source is asking us to do. !.the telepathy is overwhelming me. Looking forward to taking more classes with you in the future. The Moon squares Mercury and Venus in the 9th, Pluto and Saturn in the 3rd, and squares the MC. Well it is a living hell right now! The love you have for one another may be secret or private, and/or you are called upon to take a leap of faith in order to be with one another. Oh, and we have a 7 year old son. Together we share a Mars 12th. The 12th house is all about past life astrology, so the planets can . The part about unrequited love was particularly interesting and that other part might not know what we exist. Together, they like to dive deeper and deeper into unknown and mysterious beliefs, cultures, territories, and ideas. The twelfth house is associated with hidden emotions, and Lilith's influence adds an extra layer of complexity to this placement. 4 months passed since then. That you both have the Moon in the 12th makes you both sensitive to your surroundings and highly intuitive. And you may then limit yourself for years, into oblivion. VERY-VERY SORRY! Im not exactly sure what our future holds, but I do know we are exactly where we are supposed to be XOXO ~ Thank you for the lovely insights!!! The 12th house is the culmination of all that has come before itits our last chance, our last ride, and planets there can often go to extremes without knowing why (they can blame it on the limitless nature of Pisces, which respects no boundaries). I really appreciate your take on the 12th house; it definitely resonates as true, from my experience. In the composite only our venus and moon are conjunct in the 12th. I dont know why but i love him so much and sometimes I come up with things like dreaming of him to call me after a while he calls me. In our composite chart, Mars in 12th house Cancer square MC conjunct Mercury(10th) and the Sun, Venus(9th) & Mars square IC conjunct Saturn and Pluto(3rd). I mean, for the 2 people IN the relationship it will be a very impactful connection, but even other people will take notice of this pairing. taurus venus-mars conjunction in Your opinion? These individuals are highly empathetic, but they want to protect their privacy, and they are not easy to open up. His Saturn rules his moon and his ascendant, so it is a prominent planet, and as I said, he has Saturn conjunct his north node natally. Long story short it really bothered me that I can not tell him how I really feel about him because we are both ironically attending church but I felt that he really likes me as well. In Astrology, the planet Venus represents compassion, cooperation, beauty, and the Arts. It is SO powerful! I didnt see him for a year after we split up and then ran into him last year out of nowhere. 12th house issues are not always supportive. You are interested in psychology, religion, spirituality too. In a negative way, the struggles within the partnership will cause the Pluto person to see where his or her behaviour needs adjusting. What should i do? Black Moon Lilith is the geometric point in the sky that marks the furthest point of the moon's orbit around the earth. Ive seen couples with a heavy 12th house influence utterly befuddled and bedazzled by their lives (which dont go the way their friends lives go). In fact, it seems we are even more a part of each others lives than ever. The romantic nature of the past relationship is more emphasized which planets such as Venus, Mars, or Lilith in the twelfth house. I love him more than Ive ever loved any man I knew immediately. Something is whispering in their ears. There is probably some sort of inequality and that can be good for employee/employer or guru/student relationships. and Ceres in Pisces in his 12th and all conjunct his lilith. We are both married similar age kids. venus+mars, etc. There is a lot of love between us, much alignment in our dreams and life goals and a feeling of being soul mates and yet a strange disconnect emotionally that has us often feeling like we are on completely different wavelengths. Sorry, aja, this is too much information to handle in this space. Our composite mars is in cancer in the 12 house. Dear Dawn, I just see now, that accidentally I typed wrong Your name! Lilith in the 12th House. AT ALL. hello, nice article Dawn. The working dynamic of the partnership is in the biwheel (how do you make me feel?) Several weeks ago, my wife revealed that she has been hiding a secret life of crushes and short-lived affairs from me over the past 4 years. We both have natal moon in house 12. What do You think about Davison Chart? Learn More. We are mainly connected by a love of art, music and film. I have forgotten to say, as for HIS Lilith, its conjunct my Desc (orb -1) which is an interaspect I cant give meaning to, (too hard to analyse for me) but however, it also is a new lilith matter. I found composite Saturn on the 12th house, trining the composite Sun/Venus/Merc on the 8th and sextile to the Moon on the 2nd. *And in Synastry- My Chiron RIsing (asc in Taurus) sits in his 12th house) Thank you for your reply Dawn . I say empty.. no planet but Asteroid Osiris is 26 Aries. The fourth house is . It is composed of the combined midpoints of each person's planets and angles. Once they have hammered out their imbalance (too little, too much is often a theme with the 12th) they must find a way to make something real of their inspiration. What of mother-daughter pairs? The Sun and Moon in the 7th house are especially encouraging for a new relationship (if you're single) because your main focus for the year (the Sun) plus your emotional concerns will be united in that area. And yes, with Uranus squaring, the tendency would be to want to break away rather than face what is wrong. I can honestly say that I love this man from the highest level of my being, but I dont feel we belong together in a committed relationship. And youre so right, because there is something about the compo 12 th house ! In composite we have north node in 12th. But I think you can count on that Jupiter for evoking good will between you should you decide to reconcile. In my opinion the midpoint composite is not really true, because our midpoint chart doesnt show the very intense physical love what we live together. I do all these within a synastry consulation. Its a huge task, but often one the 12th house couple is uniquely suited for.]. For him, its TOO many of his own issues. Could I ask Your opinion? Transit Venus in the Composite 12th House. I read your article and its really touching! Transit Mercury in the 12th House Meaning, Transit Birth Chart, Mercury Astrology Free Interpretations . We also have composite Juno in Aquarius in the 4th house (opposing Mercury in the 10th and trining the Ascendant), and Venus tightly conjunct Saturn in the 11th (Leo). This is the empty space, the place where we are not like others, the place where the pieces dont fit. So my final question is which method should I look onto (composite or synastry) as they both seem to go into totally different directionsand is it possible to reveal our secret relationship even with composite 12th house? It's a nightmare sometimes. Planets in the 12th can behave in one of several ways. where is very intense connection and I can feel things youve described but also I can see it as long term.. The relationship is both a working one and personal/intimate. Dear Dawn, However, Sag and Cap are very, very different from one another and the things that make you feel secure, comforted and appreciated will be very different, unless other things in the chart back them up. Sometimes the path isnt easy to find, and we make lots of mistakes along the way. Comfy date, lots of laughter, he contacted me for a second date. The Mars/Neptune square did bring an element of slipperiness, but mostly irritating fibbing on his part. Loving and letting go, as well as maturing your love into a transcendant form of love where you are able to love so deeply that you give it the potential to annihilate you, yet you learn to let go and allow the natural changes in the state of our being has been a reoccurring theme of my life. Its also trine to the moon and sextiling Uranus. We grasp for the handrail, and find nothing to hold on to. In my natal I have mars and mercury in 12th house Gemini. The trauma you have experienced can be in relationships. Our midpoint composit cannot show any true about our relationship. Saturn and Pluto and Ascedant. Im from a country in southamerica. 12th House : A busy 12th house is very difficult in a composite chart, since it's the house of the unconscious feelings and all things hidden, so there will be a lot of miscommunication between the two. Since then we got closer and closer and couldnt hold back our attraction. The area of the 12th house in which Black Moon Lilith makes a person experience their unconscious fears, pain, shame, and denial relates to their spiritual transcendence, self-undoing, and their ability to dive deeper into the mysteries of life.. That is why this article discusses a potentially enlightening topic. If you have Lilith in the 12 th house of your chart, her themes will manifest in terms of isolation, the shadow, and limitation. We are happy when were together but he took a job 2 hours away and moved into our country house which I have now come to hate. mars is trine composite sun, pluto, uranus jupiter and neptune- but square moon saturn. We dont really grasp whats in the 12th until we spiritualize it, remove the ego from the planets function. I felt (sorry to say) that he is the big love of my life! We have a meaningful journey to take together, but we must ultimately be alone. We have a meaningful journey to take together, but we must ultimately be alone. When the transit Moon is in the composite 12th house, you may want some alone time together, wanting to share feelings but only when alone and no one else is around. however, we are very well aspected with neptune in trine and sextile to our nodes, as our sun, but our vertex is opposed and conjucted. Reply. The fatedness of it all doesnt make sense at times, like union of the subconscious. Struggling against our own unconscious is not an easy thing So I had to find an answer without destroying so many other lives or breaking up relationships. Knowing him has felt like a blessing and a curse, and yet, to this day, I do not regret falling in love with him that night 10 years ago. clearly the 1st has the most planets, but you said the sun was the essence of the chart,its in scorpio in the 12 house. Here Black Moon Lilith is squaring both Venus/Mars (12th house) and the Moon (6th house) - both the most difficult houses in the composite chart, indicating an unequal partnership. My concern is a grand trine in the composite chart, Mercury/Jupiter/Venus all conjunct in the 1st (pisces) trine Moon/North node conjunct in the 5th (cancer) and Neptune the chart ruler in the 9th (Scopio). The synastry can show the true about our relationship, and the Davison also but less than synastry, but the Composite chart can show almost nothing. The composite chart with the man Im involved with has an extremely tight Moon/Mars conjunction in the 12th, along with the North Node. thanks you very much Dawn to shed some lights on this! So, the composite Venus and Saturn are also in the 12th house. We have experienced together so much and it helps my mental developement so much and also your idea about loving and letting go interests me a lot. With 4, 8 and 12 emphasized, youll have to deal with one another in an emotionally honest way, no matter what karma you have to work out together. There is a certain someone whose natal Sun is in the 12 th, his sun also receiving a natal square from his Neptune. I feel that our connection is a long term one over many lifetimes. The only way that you can figure out the main issue of karma in a relationship is to examine the nature of both Nodes and their rulers in the Composite, along with aspects to the Nodes. But on the whole the midpoint chart is a chart about the essence and purpose of a relationship and the Davison chart is more about the external realities of a relationship. If you dont like how someone operates, who cares how connected you are to them? It has been a very long journey! Im afraid that you would need a full synastry reading in order to make sense of the situation for you and your wife. What if the composite chart has two strong stelliums: one is made up of the outer planets in the 12th, the other Sun/Mercy/Venus/Juno in the 10th (and moon and mars are in the 8th). This house is deeply spiritual by nature, as it is a composite of all the other houses. Im also interested in anything about twin flame relationships. In the composite chart, the composite 12th house can show what may be hidden in the relationship, what may play out subconsciously in the relationship, the karma of the relationship, and what needs to be let go of. should i run away from this relationship? I don know what to do. Or ? They think no one cares whether they are present or absent. Usually, life will present us with huge dilemmas that cause us to choose between the ego and the soul path. Thank you Dawn for this very interesting article. I hope you are well during these strange and powerful times. The synastry can show the true about our relationship, and the Davison also but less than synastry, but the Composite chart can show almost nothing. Because thats what it feels like! We have a Sun, Venus, Ceres, Node, Lilith and Fortune in 12th house. Thank you very much. Thank You for Your answer and best regards from Hungary! But my heart and mind keep telling me to fight again. venus all in the 12th house. We have Uranus, Mercury, Neptune, Saturn, North Node, Sun in the 12th. (like your name too. Great gifts are possible if that Saturn is respectedthe power of manifesting energy into form. I am not certain this person is a fit but yet there are alot of coincidences between us that keeps me boggled on the larger picture. And I learned a lot too. My wife and I have composite moon in the 12 house (aquarius). Our composite sun is in the 7 house. Thats for start. With Lilith so deeply involved, this relationship has a direct bearing on your feelings about your sexual power. VENUS IN HOUSE TWELVE Venus in the 12th house cultivates a spiritually profound form of love and a desire to experience love on a higher level. Our Composite Sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars and Jupiter are in the 12th, Gemini.

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