MORRISON: And tell me about your mum with Zachary. Specific in nature? Kurt Kuenne's acclaimed orchestral score for "Dear Zachary", nominated for Best Documentary Score of 2008 by the International Film Music Critics Association, is now available on CD and for digital download. But a few weeks later, she showed up in Pennsylvania, unexpected, for the wedding of one of his friends. This is the attention thing I was talking about. Kate & David Bagby will now be called as witnesses before the committee, the bill will be revised and strengthened, and eventually brought back into the House and Senate for a vote. ', KATE: He's so loved. Mr. BAGBY: Oh, yeah. I got to go to the trial. In November 2002, when, Zachary was four months old, a Canadian judge ruled that a properly instructed, jury would likely find Shirley Turner guilty and ordered her incarceration, while awaiting a decision from justice officials to surrender her to the, United States. After Newfoundland woman killed their son and grandson - SaltWire Coverage from the 2023 Canada Winter Games, VIDEO: Your daily elite-sports highlight package, Making Canada Better: Atlantic Canadians striving for change, 2023 SaltWire Network. The album includes "Andrew", the 8 minute concert work Kurt wrote and recorded in Andrew's memory in 2002. (Photo of Andrew and Kurt; Kurt editing film; collection of videotapes with, Mr. KUENNE: It was no longer just my search for what was left of, (Collection of videotapes of raw footage), Mr. KUENNE: I thought, I'm kind of the keeper of all this footage that is. get a chance to have some of Andrew again. The bill, if passed into law later this year, would justify detention in custody for those accused of a serious crime who are a potential danger to their own children under the age of 18. I'm absolutely sure. Dr. Andrew Bagby was killed on November 5, 2001, by an older woman named Shirley Jane Turner, who he had dated at a low point in his life. Unidentified Man #22: We will develop policy specific to children. This was the situation with Andrews son Zachary. They hadn't been identified, but it's obvious who they, MORRISON: He was right. Family and friends go to extraordinary lengths to honor a legacy of a young man whose trust led to tragedy. Dear Zachary recently won the Audience Award at the Sidewalk Moving Picture Festival in Birmingham, Alabama! ', Mr. SIMPSON: And I told him, I said, `You know, Andrew, when I break up with somebody and put them on a plane and send them 1300 miles away,' I said, `They knock on my front door, I'm going out the back door and I'm calling the police.' KATE: And so she said, `Oh, take him and get him dressed,' to me. (Kate and Zachary; judge in court; Shirley being escorted from court), Mr. KUENNE: I don't know. But he was accepted here, St. John's, Newfoundland, the easternmost point in North America. Every last person who steps foot into a theater to see this will walk away changed. With that powerful, evidence, Shirley Turner was formally charged with Andrew's murder and, arrested by Newfoundland police. I got to put on the record the fact that I would like a much stronger bill, said David. Turner - the son of Andrew Bagby whom she gave birth to after Bagby's death. would now have to be something else, a visual letter to Andrew's baby. Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy and Cookie Statement and Your California Privacy Rights. HEATHER: I knew he'd been struggling with me moving on and dating other people. Information on who and where to write can be found on the "Support Bail Reform" page. Click HERE for assistance. But their efforts to. report that concluded the child protection system failed Zachary Turner. They are selfless. MP Andrews was spurred on to the creation of this bill after seeing "Dear Zachary" at a March screening in Ottawa to which all Members of Parliament were invited. HEATHER: You are the most amazing, strongest people I've ever. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I'm not going to kid you, Doctor. MORRISON: Andrew's best friend, filmmaker Kurt Kuenne, suddenly, just knew what he had begun as a small film to memorialize his old friend. Nearly 2 decades after the murder of a physician and his son a legacy Without access, without favor, without discretion, and without interference. In Los Angeles - August 22-28 at the Arclight Hollywood, 6360 Sunset Blvd. Home video captured what looked like a. typical domestic scene, but beneath these happy images lies a darker truth. 'Dear Zachary' Is A Greek Tragedy Come To Life | Defector This is not the worst instance in this story of someone seeing something bad coming but not being able to stop it. Tessa Bagby - Producer, 1st Assistant Director - LinkedIn They also went to Ottawa to push the case for Bill C-464, which had been introduced by then Liberal MP Scott Andrews, at a committee hearing. Maybe the last time you talked to Shirley there was some very subtle change in tone. A judge called Andrews murder a vicious crime, but did not consider Turner a risk to others. In that time, it also becomes clear that Andrews fate is in danger of also becoming his sons. June 2, 2015 - June 2020. June 25, 2008: Djing. Mommy loves you. Mr. SIMPSON: You don't need to go out with a woman because you can't think you can do better. That child was Zachary, to whom the film is addressed. I mean, the best man is really the groom. Either she's grabbed Zachary and taken off and she's trying to, escape, and she has a snowball's chance in hell of getting away with that. -, "It's Kate and David Bagby who are the moral center of this film. We urge everyone to write your MP (if Canadian) or the Attorney General of Canada (if not) urging them to support MP Andrews and his bill as it moves toward a vote in the near future. Mr. SIMPSON: Things people should know about Andrew, he was never late. dropping Shirley and their grandboy off at her son T.J.'s home (Photo of Zachary sleeping in car seat; streets passing), KATE: She said, `Wake up, Zachary and say goodbye to your grandparents.'. After Zacharys death, the Bagbys began a quest to have Canadas bail laws changed. MORRISON: Shirley also claimed to have been at home in Iowa, sick in bed the day of the murder. He was such a good baby. Kate and David Bagby traveled to Ottawa last week to speak as witnesses for the bill before the House's Standing Committee on Justice & Human Rights. Purchase the book here: Amazon USA | Amazon Canada, To read more reviews, visit our Press Archive, ZACHARY'S BILL (BILL C-464) BECOMES LAW IN CANADA, (Click HERE to read a letter to viewers from David & Kate Bagby.). His father says, "I kissed him and held . Zachary, I love you, baby. Still grieving the death of their son, the Bagbys moved to Newfoundland and fought for custody of Zachary. David and Kate Bagby know all about the unlikely power of love funneled through rage. especially long work day and dropped himself in front of the television. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Are you sure? (Supreme Court building; Shirley being escorted from court; photos of Kate and. I said, `This woman was in town. I had two sisters already, so a brother, because now I'd have somebody that I can teach about hockey and, (Shears and Zachary; photo of Shears and Zachary). Information on who and where to write can be found by going to the "Support Bail Reform" page. They might as well have sent a taxi to her to help take him out and drown him. Gruesome details, abstruse discoveries, and personal secrets are examined with a seemingly cold and impartial eye in the light of the promise that, if seen rightly, they can yield up a picture of the truth. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Or what about the one of me and Andrew? KATE: I sat there and bit my lip and cried. Our SaltWire team is always watching out for the place we call home. -, "You don't just view what's happening on the screen -- you live it through every gasp and every tear, and every bit of exasperated anger(resulting) in one powerful standing ovation, the likes of which I have never seen at Hot Docs beforeDear Zachary will move you. Shirley Turner had walked out to the end, of a pier with tiny Zachary strapped to her body with a sweater, then jumped, into the ocean. How dreadful the knowledge of the truth can be, wrote Sophocles, when theres no help in truth.. But as someone else says, Grief is loves unwillingness to let go. So Andrew's father could just as easily be talking about love. KATE: Ah, it was wonderful. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I'm interested in the gun. Cpl. Shirley, held his birthday party at McDonald's. With that kind of goodness, anything is possible. decision. Also, today MP Scott Andrews of Newfoundland introduced a bill in Parliament for its first reading that proposes a modification to Canada's bail code that would justify detention in custody for a suspect who is a potential danger to their own minor children. KATE: I knew exactly what my son looked at before he died. Mr. SHEARS: Mm, yeah. And that was midafternoon. Mr. BAGBY: Constable Walsh asking to call him. whose parents are charged with a violent crime. Nobody drives 16 hours after you've just broken up with them.' Unidentified Woman #10: (Kate holding Zachary) Zachary. We. Well never understand how anybody can ignore the fact that murderers are dangerous, he said. They still have friends in the province, people Kate said they wouldnt have survived without. Parents Kate and David Bagby's story of identifying Andrew's body is devastating. Former Production Manager at Mountain Gospel Radio. You will laugh, you will smile, you will cry, and you might even want to stand up and shout at the screen. Bagbys wondered if there might ever be an extradition hearing. . I had a job I loved. When Kuenne narrates the particulars of the crime, the evidence, or the legal proceedings, his voiceover shifts to a stylized, rapid-fire clip, making it easy for the audience to miss key details. I didn't even know why I was going, other than Mom didn't want. MORRISON: Winter is capricious in Newfoundland; repeatedly, spring is briefly offered and then taken back again. MORRISON: Shirley, meanwhile, seemed to be preparing for her, extradition, and perhaps she was looking for a way to exclude the Bagbys from. A few weeks after, Zachary's birthday party, the Bagbys and Shirley took the toddler swimming, an, activity he usually enjoyed. Mr. BAGBY: (Talking in group) This is about making public exactly what, MORRISON: The Bagbys' public outrage had some results. After the pregnancy came to light, the film became a way to introduce Zachary to his father. ', Mr. SHEARS: Things happen in America that don't seem to happen up here as. Kate to keep up their end of that bargain. It's great. T.J. and his girlfriend went to bed. We need each other, have each other to get through this, added David. This is how Kuenne represents his emotion at hearing the news that the woman who killed his friend had also killed his friends son. Or was this her, way of demanding that they suspend their critical faculties and declare their, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I don't know what to give Zachary. But I used to look at her hand and think, it. unforgivable and that's just the way it's going to be for the rest of my life. Photo courtesy of David and Kathleen Bagby, dear zachary a letter to a son about his father, Defector Freelancer Policies, Created In Partnership With The National Writers Union. Click HERE for ticket information. You know? with a supervisor, and we had to be searched. MORRISON: It was almost two years after Andrew Bagby's murder, when Shirley Turner's eldest son T.J. drove home to his girlfriend after an. One for such a wonderful young man that you raised. Corporal GARDNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, Dr. Turner, I'm Corporal Gardner with the Pennsylvania State Police. Kuenne, a childhood friend of Andrews, started out to make the movie as a tribute to Andrew, but it kept taking on new meanings, first with Zacharys birth and then his death. Well, you dont have to look far, said Dr. T. Clark Simpson, who worked with Bagby. You dont leave it behind. The Best Man - NBC News Dear Zachary has been announced as the first film to launch the newly formed MSNBC Films division of MSNBC. Cpl. The Bagbys went to the morgue to identify their bodies. We. How do you represent the fact that this 13-month-olds death was preventable? How do you represent anguish of that magnitude without turning it into a Greek tragedy? I had a son I used, (Photo of young Kate; photo of Kate and David; photo of Kate and Andrew), KATE: And then suddenly you're in the pits, and then you have to learn that, MORRISON: Two weeks after Zachary's murder, the press covered a, Mr. BAGBY: (Press conference) We believe that the legal system helped her to, MORRISON: Charging the child protection authorities dropped the, ball, and that a disastrous bail system allowed a probable first-degree, (Zachary; court document; Shirley and Andrew). Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) (Unintelligible) Hi, sweetheart. His medical studies in Newfoundland were complete. You take it with you, but you move on, said David. The victims choices, preferences, actions, and relationships are either boiled down to a heap of clues and red herrings, or offered as a backdrop in a spirit of dutiful empathy before getting down to the business at hand. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) That you aren't trying to take my place. Kurt is incredibly grateful for the good folks at MSNBC for making this arrangement happen. to live with his father in a tiny coastal village hundreds of miles away. -, "To give you an idea how powerful it is, I'll just say that there was a lot of audible sobbing during the credits.and the first question in the Q&A started like this: "First of all, holy crap. -, "Some of the week's biggest flicks aren't at Sundancefilmmakers have praised Slamdance film. MORRISON: But was that what you assumed had happened? MORRISON: After you found out about Andrew's death, the impulse just ended. I cannot stress this enough: this movie frightened and disturbed me more than any horror film I've ever seen in my life. This report aired Dateline Friday, July 23. And that's when it all hit the fan, I guess. 7:30 I'll be at your house.'. The legal system helped her kill Zachary. A True-Crime Story That Puts the Victims First | The New Yorker See details above! ', MORRISON: When Dr. Andrew Bagby's bullet-riddled corpse was, found in a Pennsylvania state park in November 2001, his devastated parents. KATE: (Zachary hugging Kate) This is your Uncle Kurt. https://www.saltwire.com//california-couple-want-as-many-/ saltwire.com California couple want as many people as possible to know their story | SaltWire Now that Zachary was starting to walk, he was free to make a beeline to. anything like that, would we take care of Zachary? She just dropped to the floor and laid down, and, I went down after her. MORRISON: And then, in the spring of 1995, Andrew found someone, a Newfoundlander, also a doctor in training, a woman named Shirley Turner. I had a husband I loved. He seems to be talking about the unfathomable grief Shirley Jane Turner left behind. She would never go away. He was the whole world to them. After 2 murders, a healing process - PressReader If you didnt realize the importance of that, Kuenne mutes the film to let you process it. It's great. If a suitable candidate is not identified, the award will not be given for that year. And Turner had said he was a, MORRISON: But there were some caveats. The psychotic bitch.) The bullets in Bagbys body were of the same type that Turner had used at a shooting range shortly before, in a gun she had recently purchased. put Zachary on her lap to open presents, and he resists. Was it a tight bond? KATE: (To Zachary) Kurt knew your daddy when he was a little boy. I don't know how else to say it except they are grown-ups: they are funny, but serious; playful, but organized. David and Kate Bagby moved to St. John's. They forged a relationship with the woman they believed killed their son so they could see Zachary, their only grandchild. Senator Tommy Banks of Alberta will be the bill's sponsor in the Senate, and will shortly be distributing DVDs of "Dear Zachary" to all members of the Senate, just as he and MP Andrews distributed the film to all members of the House of Commons last fall when he introduced the bill. David Bagby - Risk Manager - McKinsey & Company | LinkedIn 1 suspect was his estranged girlfriend, Shirley Turner, also a medical doctor, who was raised in western Newfoundland and was then practicing in Iowa. MORRISON: Even more, the Bagbys' gloom was mixed with worry. I dont know how else to say it except they are grown-ups: they are funny, but serious; playful, but organized. I kind of need to move on from that because, like I. said, I'm a Bagby male. MORRISON: The girl was Heather, also an aspiring doctor. Not too long ago? I just want to get through medical school.'. MORRISON: Andrew Bagby. The Bagbys were compelled to ensure what happened to their son and grandson never happens again. A court mandate allowed David and Kate Bagby to spend time, with their grandson, babysitting, even sharing in joint activities with. It brings its own special brand of. SCREAMS. And she followed Andrew to St. John's.. On Aug. 18, 2003, while awaiting extradition to the U.S. on a charge of murdering Andrew, Turner jumped into the waters of Conception Bay South with her 13-month-old son strapped to her in a murder-suicide. The apparent culprit was a woman named Shirley Turner, whom Bagby had dated but had broken up with on November 4th, in Latrobe, just before putting her on a plane to Council Bluffs, Iowa, where she lived at the time. Mr. KUENNE: You know, he said--she said, `Look, I'm not looking for another husband. It turns out Shirley owned a .22 caliber handgun, which she acquired while living in Iowa. Happy Birthday Dr. Andrew Bagby. You should be 49 today. You should be Bill C-464 was introduced in the House of Commons on October 22, 2009, passed the House of Commons unanimously on March 22nd of this year and passed the Senate of Canada last Thursday, December 9th, where it was sponsored by Senator Tommy Banks of Alberta. MORRISON: When somebody tells you that your mother may have--was a suspect Mr. SHEARS: No, it has to be a mistake. "We had to do something.. This marks the first time in history an MP from Newfoundland has been able to get a private member's bill through Parliament; since 2001, 2,510 Private Member's Bills have been introduced in the House of Commons, but only 23 - less than 1% - have received Royal Assent. We just want as many people as possible to know this story, the documentary, for the practical reasons in my fantasies, I suppose some judge, some place, actually gets it and denies bail to somebody who could kill again. David Bagby. Play trailer 2:39. (David speaking to reporters; Kate speaking to reporters; David on radio show; "Dear Zachary" poster; Kurt editing video; photo of Andrew; photo of Zachary; Mr. KUENNE: I almost gave up making this film when you were, killed. It would take two weeks. (SPOILER WARNING: Do not watch this short until you have seen Dear Zachary. He'd been shot five times, including once in the back of the head, execution style. The night was. MORRISON: Andrew tried to make a clean break with Shirley in October 2001. I'm tired of this. And I said, `Who?' kate and david bagby still living It left me looking for the impossibility of marking the film above the highest grade available on the festival's voting ballot. Lastly, Dear Zachary was screened in Ottawa on March 11, 2009 for various members of Parliament and their staff; as a result, a small but committed group of Parliamentarians are now drafting a bill based on the issues raised in the film. The strange allure of Robert Durst and The Jinx.. And not just because its real. I thought if I do that, I go to prison, maybe Kate. Is it OK? Bad things tend not to announce themselves, they just kind of land right on your head. This movie is the kind of nightmare no one could dream up. He couldve introduced his friends death any way he wanted, and he went with this, with a kid who can barely pronounce the word killed asking why one of daddys friends has ended up that way. The only thing about his life that didn't make sense to some friends and family was his relationship with that doctor from Newfoundland, the one he'd started dating when going to medical school there. The reason we go through the lawyers is so that we. Imagine being the parents of a man who was killed and then having to ingratiate yourself to the killer in order to keep your grandchild safe. On Nov. 5, Kate, who is originally from England, pictures Turner sitting on top of a Guy Fawkes bonfire and her family all around it with fireworks. It then played SXSW in Austin, Texas, where it left audiences stunned and in tears. Cpl.
